Obama jilts the global warming crowd.

[mahatma]

It seems the apocalyptic doom mongers are ticked off with the 'Bamster:

Obama Has Failed the World on Climate Change
By Christian Schwägerl

US President Barack Obama came to office promising hope and change. But on climate change, he has followed in the footsteps of his predecessor, George W. Bush. Now, should the climate summit in Copenhagen fail, the blame will lie squarely with Obama.

The folder labeled "climate change" that George W. Bush left behind for his successor on the desk of the Oval Office in January likely wasn't a thick one. Although Bush once said that America is overly dependent on oil, he never got beyond that insight. He was too busy waging war on Iraq and searching for a legal basis for extraordinary renditions to pay much attention to the real threat facing humanity. "Forget the climate" seems to have been Bush's unofficial motto.

But few people expected that Barack Obama, of all people, would continue his predecessor's climate change plan. When he took office at the beginning of 2009, it was clear that the success of the UN Climate Change Summit in Copenhagen in December depended almost entirely on the US -- that America needed to take a clear leadership role on a problem that could shake civilization to its very core.


Only if the US manages to reduce its excessive energy consumption, commit itself to mandatory CO2 emission reduction targets and help finance poorer countries' move away from oil is there still a chance that countries like China and India will do the same and that a dangerous warming of the Earth can be stopped. On the weekend, Obama announced that there would be no agreement on binding rules in Copenhagen. It was the admission of a massive failing -- and the prelude to a truly dramatic phase of international climate policy.

Obama Lied to the Europeans...

More: hhttp://www.spiegel.de/international/wo ... 78,00.html

[Charl]

So maybe he's screwed us but what I understand the binding rules thing is that the USA goes in agreeing to be BOUND legally in international law to whatever is decided at the conference. A bit of a blank check no?

Lets see how the conference goes...

[mahatma]

Maybe Gore can save the planet. He's a pretty smart guy, making millions from the Globaloney scam. Here he thinks the interior of the erf is millions of degrees ( making the erf a star ):

Al Gore on Conan O'Brien's show the other day:

CONAN O'BRIEN, HOST: Now, what about ... you talk in the book about geothermal energy...
AL GORE, NOBEL LAUREATE: Yeah, yeah.
O'BRIEN: ...and that is, as I understand it, using the heat that's generated from the core of the earth ...

GORE: Yeah.

O'BRIEN: ...to create energy, and it sounds to me like an evil plan by Lex Luthor to defeat Superman. Can you, can you tell me, is this a viable solution, geothermal energy?

GORE: It definitely is, and it's a relatively new one. People think about geothermal energy - when they think about it at all - in terms of the hot water bubbling up in some places, but two kilometers or so down in most places there are these incredibly hot rocks, 'cause the interior of the earth is extremely hot, several million degrees, and the crust of the earth is hot ...

The geothermal gradient is usually quoted as 25–50 degrees Celsius per mile of depth in normal terrain (not, e.g., in the crater of Kilauea). Two kilometers down, therefore, (that's a mile and a quarter if you're not as science-y as Al) you'll have an average gain of 30–60 degrees — exploitable for things like home heating, though not hot enough to make a nice pot of tea. The temperature at the earth's core, 4,000 miles down, is usually quoted as 5,000 degrees Celsius, though these guysclaim it's much less, while some contrarian geophysicists have posted claims up to 9,000 degrees. The temperature at the surface of the Sun is around 6,000 degrees Celsius, while at the center, where nuclear fusion is going on bigtime, things get up over 10 million degrees.

If the temperature anywhere inside the earth was "several million degrees," we'd be a star.

( from weaselzippers.net )

[mahatma]

The video of the snake oil salesman Al Gore, million degree earth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns_4pzfO ... _embedded#

[Redddhead]

Scientists are baffled at the decade old halt in global warming. But don't worry, they are pretty sure that will have no effect on the long term warming trend. Let me translate. There has been a decade long ABSENCE of global warming. Let me translate that further. There is NO GLOBAL WARMING.

[fess]

Oh, I believe there is global warming, just as much as I believe there is global cooling. This has been a natural occurrence since the Earth became the Earth. Not to forget; that years ago, there were palm trees in Canada.

[Redddhead]

Oh, I believe there is global warming, just as much as I believe there is global cooling. This has been a natural occurrence since the Earth became the Earth. Not to forget; that years ago, there were palm trees in Canada.

I agree 100% Fess. I should have said MMGW. Scientists admit and are at a loss to explain MMGW's hiatus for the past DECADE. Over that time period it can be demonstrated that the amount of CO2 emmitted into the atmosphere has increased ten fold. One tenth of that from the US.It is totally inconceivable that if MMGW were a true phenomenon, as opposed to something fun for extreme liberals to believe in-see souce of extreme liberalism post-that the temperature would not have continued to increase under this influence. This simple fact alone COMPLETELY destroys the MYTH of MMGW and reveals those who continue to believe as being of unsound judgement in allowing themselves to be so easily taken in by a false cult.

[Hunter]

All it is, is climate change because has tilted on the axis like I have stated all along. I did not even open my pool this year because the weather was too cool. My cousins in Duluth Minnesota right along Lake Superior experienced temps of up to 102 degrees. So when we get another tilt, the hemispheres will change once again and the ice caps will rebuild themselves. It is a balance of nature and Mother Earth takes care of itself. Yes we as humans can contribute less to pollution, but the Cow farts are killing us! Too much Methane!

[Palladin]

Oh, I believe there is global warming, just as much as I believe there is global cooling. This has been a natural occurrence since the Earth became the Earth. Not to forget; that years ago, there were palm trees in Canada.

I agree 100% Fess. I should have said MMGW. Scientists admit and are at a loss to explain MMGW's hiatus for the past DECADE. Over that time period it can be demonstrated that the amount of CO2 emmitted into the atmosphere has increased ten fold. One tenth of that from the US.It is totally inconceivable that if MMGW were a true phenomenon, as opposed to something fun for extreme liberals to believe in-see souce of extreme liberalism post-that the temperature would not have continued to increase under this influence. This simple fact alone COMPLETELY destroys the MYTH of MMGW and reveals those who continue to believe as being of unsound judgement in allowing themselves to be so easily taken in by a false cult.

My friend I have to back you off a little with this. You are being a little callous with people who believe in man made warming. Get down off your obnoxious high horse before you get thrown off.

[Redddhead]

Well my friend. I appreciate your measured response. Now let me set you straight. In life there are many things that we can do as individuals that affect other peoples lives. In that sense we are our brothers keeper. Firstly, as deregulation on electric rates begins many will see an increase that presents a serious threat to their family budgets. There is no bigger fear for a man than that of not being able to provide for his family. Secondly, by any account, by any measure, enactment of cap and trade will increase again the cost of energy as companies move to protect their existence by passing on costs to the consumer. Now this same family is hit again with an increase in energy costs and has his financial well being, and his ability to provide for his family, threatened again to a higher degree. We can argue about amounts but the fact is it will be an increase. If man made global warming is a hoax, then there will be blood on the hands-figuratively speaking- of the politicians and groups and individuals who believe in and promote it and their poor judgment will negatively affect the lives and well being of their fellow man. This whole MMGW thing is so absurd it is maddening. This is just insane. People can be easily mislead. All some issue has to do to make inroads into society is to be constantly interjected. It is sort of like the idea that a lie repeated often enough becomes truth. It becomes truth to the people who cannot think and reason. And since in our society many times independent thought and reason is scoffed at, it is becoming a lost art to many. It is these many that hurt us all with bad judgment and choices. I just pointed out in a previous post that scientists are at a loss to explain, and they admit to, the fact that a decade has passed with no true global warming. And again as I pointed out, don't you think that since during that time CO2 emissions have increased exponentially here but more so and primarily in other countries that there would be an uptrend in temps? You don't have to be a climatologist to see this. You just need to be able to think. Add to that the absolute virulent opposition by the MMGW crowd to any reasoned opposition. This is telling. If you can't argue the facts then you have nothing. Politics has become so treacherously mean that it is easier to follow a lie than to oppose it. It is plain to see that MMGW is a total insane, reckless, mind boggling misuse of peoples time and talent. And the end result will hurt. And so it is that I take to task so, what seems to be, harshly those that have been taken in by this. This is serious and has the power to hurt people and families.

Now if you don't mind, I will get back up on my horse. Please feel free to again, any time, engage me in conversation when you need some direction. It is my pleasure to do it for you.

[Palladin]

Well my friend. I appreciate your measured response. Now let me set you straight. In life there are many things that we can do as individuals that affect other peoples lives. In that sense we are our brothers keeper. Firstly, as deregulation on electric rates begins many will see an increase that presents a serious threat to their family budgets. There is no bigger fear for a man than that of not being able to provide for his family. Secondly, by any account, by any measure, enactment of cap and trade will increase again the cost of energy as companies move to protect their existence by passing on costs to the consumer. Now this same family is hit again with an increase in energy costs and has his financial well being, and his ability to provide for his family, threatened again to a higher degree. We can argue about amounts but the fact is it will be an increase. If man made global warming is a hoax, then there will be blood on the hands-figuratively speaking- of the politicians and groups and individuals who believe in and promote it and their poor judgment will negatively affect the lives and well being of their fellow man. This whole MMGW thing is so absurd it is maddening. This is just insane. People can be easily mislead. All some issue has to do to make inroads into society is to be constantly interjected. It is sort of like the idea that a lie repeated often enough becomes truth. It becomes truth to the people who cannot think and reason. And since in our society many times independent thought and reason is scoffed at, it is becoming a lost art to many. It is these many that hurt us all with bad judgment and choices. I just pointed out in a previous post that scientists are at a loss to explain, and they admit to, the fact that a decade has passed with no true global warming. And again as I pointed out, don't you think that since during that time CO2 emissions have increased exponentially here but more so and primarily in other countries that there would be an uptrend in temps? You don't have to be a climatologist to see this. You just need to be able to think. Add to that the absolute virulent opposition by the MMGW crowd to any reasoned opposition. This is telling. If you can't argue the facts then you have nothing. Politics has become so treacherously mean that it is easier to follow a lie than to oppose it. It is plain to see that MMGW is a total insane, reckless, mind boggling misuse of peoples time and talent. And the end result will hurt. And so it is that I take to task so, what seems to be, harshly those that have been taken in by this. This is serious and has the power to hurt people and families.

Now if you don't mind, I will get back up on my horse. Please feel free to again, any time, engage me in conversation when you need some direction. It is my pleasure to do it for you.

You are a pompous, overbearing, know it all jackass. But you are a friend and so I'll just say I disagree, and I can think for myself without your stupid guidance.

[Redddhead]

The hoax revealed, just as many knew it was, here is the smoking gun.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/james ... l-warming/

[Hunter]

Palladin............you picking on my classmate again? Don't mess with my peeps because you WILL be messing with a SOB!

[Palladin]

Palladin............you picking on my classmate again? Don't mess with my peeps because you WILL be messing with a SOB!

You people on here from the class of '75 are out and out nuts!

[Mark]

So, now we're using blogs and " alleged emails " in place of hard research?... My hat is off to you... I would have never thought of that... (m.)